Geneva meeting summaries, agendas, and minutes
Plain-English weekly recaps written from official meeting records. 8 weeks available.
Weeks
- week of 2026-08-24 — Geneva Council approves $11,250 bridge design payment; energy plan discussed
- week of 2026-08-17 — Geneva City Council considers Route 31 crosswalk letter; committees review environmental, mental health, and bike plans
- week of 2026-08-10 — Geneva committees weigh groundwater ban, sewer fee moratorium, and crosswalk agreement
- week of 2026-08-03 — Geneva boards weigh infrastructure contracts, zoning changes; minutes pending for July meetings
- week of 2026-07-20 — Geneva boards held mostly procedural sessions; City Council set to vote on zoning, solar farm, and infrastructure contracts today
- week of 2026-07-13 — Geneva government roundup: No council decisions recorded; pension boards set to vote on benefits
- week of 2026-07-06 — Geneva roundup: City Council to weigh two new tax districts, solar farm permit; recent meetings thin on confirmed decisions
- week of 2026-06-29 — Geneva Roundup: Solar Farm, Tax Districts on Horizon; Recent Boards Discuss Tree Rules, Equipment
Week of 2026-08-24
Geneva Council approves $11,250 bridge design payment; energy plan discussed
The Geneva City Council approved a final payment of $11,250 for design engineering services for the State Street Bridge railing replacement project at its Aug. 17 meeting. The council also considered a resolution for a Destination Geneva grant for the 2026 Festival of the Vine, but no vote was recorded.
City Council
The council approved the payment as part of municipal bills. The resolution for the grant was considered, with staff confirming the applicant must provide visitor data as stated in the application. No other substantive decisions were recorded in the minutes.
Committee of the Whole
The Committee of the Whole discussed a draft resolution to authorize a Master Services Agreement with Polar Energy Consulting, Inc. for a 2027 Integrated Resource Plan (IRP) at a projected cost of $282,101, pending legal review. Staff confirmed the IRP is an unfunded state mandate, but the city received a $200,000 grant from the Illinois Finance Authority/Climate Bank to offset costs, with remaining funds budgeted. The committee also discussed the 2026 Employee Benefit Plan renewal effective Nov. 1, 2026, noting the city's premium contributions are formulaic and can be absorbed within the existing FY27 budget. No formal votes were taken.
Other boards and commissions
Several other meetings were held with agendas but no recorded decisions.
- The Mental Health Board reviewed a revised grant funding letter and application, discussed the grant funding procedure, planned visits to grant applicants, and set the September meeting location.
- The International Cultural Exchange Committee discussed routine business including summer program updates, a friendraiser, a delegation from Croissy, newsletters, foreign film Sundays, a video presentation/donation, a library presentation, and grant ideas.
- The Bike & Pedestrian Committee reviewed updates to the city's bicycle plan, a Kane County Bicycle Friendly Community application debrief, and events including National Night Out and a bike parade. It also discussed a streets program update and a city policy on safety/informational videos.
- The Fire & Police Commission held a special meeting with closed-session interviews for battalion chief candidates. The next regular meeting is scheduled for Sept. 15, 2026.
- The Planning and Zoning Commission meeting scheduled for Aug. 13 was canceled. The next meeting is Aug. 27.
- The Historic Preservation Commission met Aug. 18 to review a concept for a porch reconstruction and addition at 28 S Fifth Street, and two certificate of appropriateness applications for a carport enclosure at 128 N Fifth Street and stair rehabilitation at 402 Campbell Street.
- The Strategic Plan Advisory Committee met Aug. 19 to approve July minutes and a financial report, review the calendar, and hear public comment.
Coming up
The Planning and Zoning Commission will hold a public hearing on Aug. 27 for two variation requests at 813 Elm Avenue: reducing the side yard setback from 6 ft to 4.7 ft and increasing lot coverage from 45% to 59.4%. The commission will also consider approval of the July 9, 2026 minutes and hear public comment.
Week of 2026-08-17
Geneva City Council considers Route 31 crosswalk letter; committees review environmental, mental health, and bike plans
The Geneva City Council considered Resolution No. 2026-92, a letter of understanding with the Illinois Department of Transportation for a Route 31 crosswalk, at its Aug. 3 meeting. The official minutes do not record a final vote or decision on the item. In other recent business, several city committees met to discuss environmental projects, mental health grant procedures, bike and pedestrian plans, and cultural exchange programs.
City Council
The council considered Resolution No. 2026-92 regarding a letter of understanding between the City of Geneva and the Illinois Department of Transportation for a Route 31 crosswalk. Staff responses to questions were provided, but no final vote or decision was recorded in the minutes.
Committee of the Whole
The Committee of the Whole met Aug. 3 to consider two draft ordinances: one prohibiting groundwater well use for potable water near 618 South 1st Street and adjacent properties, and another establishing a 12-month moratorium on Title 9 (Municipal Utilities), Chapter 3 (Water and Sewers), Article A, 9-3A-4, B. The meeting also included a public comment period. No minutes have been published yet.
Natural Resources Committee
The Natural Resources Committee discussed coordination of river clean-up and landscaping projects. Items included River Clean-up Day scheduled for Sept. 19, rain barrels for sale at $75 each, review of requested changes to the Tree Ordinance, a proposed education piece to reduce plastic and styrofoam at restaurants, and discussion on moving spring leaf collection from April to May.
Mental Health Board
The Community Mental Health Board reviewed a revised grant funding letter and application, as well as the grant funding procedure. The board also planned visits to grant applicants, approved a payment to the recording secretary, and discussed the Sept. 8 meeting location.
Bike & Pedestrian Committee
The Bike & Pedestrian Advisory Committee reviewed updates to the city’s bicycle plan, a Kane County Bicycle Friendly Community application debrief, and a streets program update. Events discussed included National Night Out, Concerts in the Park, and a bike parade. The committee also considered city policy on safety/informational videos.
International Cultural Exchange Committee
The International Cultural Exchange Committee discussed routine business, including updates on summer programs, a friendraiser, a delegation from Croissy, newsletters, foreign film Sundays, a video presentation/donation, a library presentation, and grant ideas.
Fire & Police Commission
The Fire & Police Commission held a special meeting for closed-session interviews of battalion chief candidates, as permitted under Illinois law. The next regular meeting is scheduled for Sept. 15, 2026.
Planning and Zoning Commission
The Planning and Zoning Commission meeting scheduled for Aug. 13 was canceled. The next meeting is set for Aug. 27, 2026.
Coming up
- **City Council (Aug. 17):** Will consider Ordinance 2026-16 prohibiting groundwater wells for potable water supply, Ordinance 2026-17 establishing a moratorium on Title 9, Chapter 3, Article A, 9-3A-4, B, Resolution 2026-94 for a Destination Geneva Grant for Festival of the Vine, municipal bills totaling $3,942,428.63, and the May 31 financial report. A fire department promotion ceremony is also scheduled.
- **Committee of the Whole (Aug. 17):** Will consider purchasing reverse osmosis membrane filters from Consolidated Water Solutions for $138,310.20, a master services agreement with Polar Energy Consulting for a 2027 Integrated Resource Plan (projected $282,101, pending legal review), acceptance of the 2026 Employee Benefit Plan renewal, and an Integrated Infrastructure Master Plan agreement with Engineering Enterprises, Inc. for $485,294.
- **Historic Preservation Commission (Aug. 18):** Will hold a concept review for a porch reconstruction, addition, and general rehabilitation at 28 S Fifth Street (proposed inn conversion), and review certificate of appropriateness applications for a carport enclosure at 128 N Fifth Street and stair rehabilitation at 402 Campbell Street.
Week of 2026-08-10
Geneva committees weigh groundwater ban, sewer fee moratorium, and crosswalk agreement
In the past two weeks, Geneva's City Council and several committees met to discuss a range of items, from groundwater protection to a crosswalk agreement. No final votes were recorded on the most significant proposals, which remain pending.
Committee of the Whole considers groundwater and sewer ordinances
At its August 3 meeting, the Committee of the Whole took up two draft ordinances. The first would prohibit the use of groundwater wells for potable water in a contaminated area near 618 South 1st Street and adjacent properties. The second would establish a 12-month moratorium on industrial sewer discharge fee reviews, allowing time for a water rate study and city code review. The committee also held a public comment period. No vote or decision was recorded in the agenda materials.
City Council reviews Route 31 crosswalk letter of understanding
Also on August 3, the City Council considered Resolution No. 2026-92, a letter of understanding between the City of Geneva and the Illinois Department of Transportation regarding a Route 31 crosswalk. Staff responses to questions about the project were provided, but the official minutes do not record a final vote or decision.
Natural Resources Committee discusses environmental projects and tree ordinance
On August 5, the Natural Resources Committee reviewed several ongoing initiatives. A River Clean-up Day is scheduled for September 19. Rain barrels are being sold for $75 each. The committee also reviewed requested changes to the Tree Ordinance, discussed a proposed education piece to reduce plastic and styrofoam at restaurants, and considered moving spring leaf collection from April to May. No decisions were recorded.
Strategic Plan Advisory Committee holds routine meeting
The Strategic Plan Advisory Committee met on July 27 for a procedural session. The agenda included approval of minutes from June 2026, a financial report, subcommittee updates, and discussions on plan monitoring, a podcast, and Geneva Academy. No concrete decisions or financial actions were on the agenda.
Coming up
- **Bike & Pedestrian Committee** – August 12: The committee will review updates to the city's bicycle plan, a Kane County Bicycle Friendly Community application debrief, a streets program update, and recent events including National Night Out and a bike parade. It will also discuss city policy on safety and informational videos.
- **Planning and Zoning Commission** – August 13: This meeting has been canceled. The next meeting is scheduled for August 27.
Residents interested in any of these items can find official agendas and minutes on the city's website.
Week of 2026-08-03
Geneva boards weigh infrastructure contracts, zoning changes; minutes pending for July meetings
Geneva's elected and advisory bodies met several times in late July, but minutes have not yet been published for any of the sessions, so no outcomes can be confirmed. Based on the agendas, the most consequential items under consideration were infrastructure contracts totaling more than $710,000 — including electrical substation upgrades and a lead and galvanized water service line replacement on East State Street.
City Council and Committee of the Whole (July 20)
The City Council and Committee of the Whole held separate meetings on July 20. Agendas show both bodies were scheduled to take up major infrastructure items.
The Committee of the Whole was set to consider a Professional Services Agreement with Stanley Consultants, Inc. for the Keslinger Substation Upgrade Project at $354,072.00, and a not-to-exceed contract of $356,796.00 with IHC Construction Companies LLC for East State Street lead and galvanized water service line replacement. The committee also had fuel procurement through Al Warren Oil through July 5, 2027, on its agenda.
The City Council agenda included Ordinance No. 2026-14, a zoning text amendment adding "Restaurant, Eatery or Café (no drive-through)" as a special use in the D-IM District, and Ordinance No. 2026-15, a special use permit for a restaurant at 321 Stevens Street, Suite N (Chianti's Carryout & Catering). The council was also scheduled to consider Resolution No. 2026-87, authorizing a $148,901.00 purchase of an automated switch at the Keslinger Substation under a WESCO Sourcewell Contract, with delivery in FY28. Additional items included Ordinance No. 2026-13, a special use permit for a solar photovoltaic farm at 1203 E. Fabyan Parkway, and Resolution No. 2026-84, restating and extending site-plan approval for Venture One Acquisitions, LLC.
Because minutes are not yet published, it is not possible to confirm which items passed, failed, or were tabled.
Historic Preservation Commission (July 21)
The commission was scheduled to review Certificates of Appropriateness for three residential properties: an addition and rehabilitation at 428 Ford Street (Case 2026-063), a side porch reconstruction at 501 South Street (Case 2025-098), and an exterior rehabilitation at 527 Peyton Street (Case 2025-057). Outcomes are not yet available.
Planning and Zoning Commission (July 23)
A public hearing was scheduled on two variation requests from Jeff and Ann Douglas for a front porch at 813 Elm Avenue, located across from Elm Park in the R4 High Density Single-Family Residential district. The requests sought a side yard setback reduction from 6 ft to 4.7 ft and an increase in allowable lot coverage from 45% to 59.4%. The commission was then set to vote on a recommendation to the City Council. No minutes have been published.
Strategic Plan Advisory Committee (July 27)
This meeting was primarily procedural, covering approval of June 2026 minutes, a financial report, subcommittee updates, and discussions on plan monitoring, a podcast, and Geneva Academy. No concrete financial actions were on the agenda.
Coming up
- **City Council, Aug. 3:** Scheduled to approve payment of municipal bills totaling $1,690,189.50, the $354,072 Stanley Consultants contract for the Keslinger Substation Upgrade, and the $356,796 East State Street water service line replacement contract. The council will also recognize Bennett Konkey, 2026 IHSA Class 3A Boys Track & Field State Champion, and hold a Fire Department promotion ceremony for Lieutenant Josh Henschen.
- **Committee of the Whole, Aug. 3:** Will consider a draft ordinance prohibiting groundwater well use for potable water near 618 South 1st Street and adjacent properties, and a draft ordinance establishing a 12-month moratorium on industrial sewer discharge fee reviews to allow a water rate study and city code review. A public comment period is scheduled.
- **Natural Resources Committee, Aug. 5:** Will review requested changes to the Tree Ordinance, discuss a River Clean-up Day scheduled for September 19, and consider rain barrels for sale at $75 each.
- **Bike & Pedestrian Advisory Committee, Aug. 12:** Will discuss a Bicycle Plan Update, a Kane County Bicycle Friendly Community application debrief, and a streets program update.
- **Planning and Zoning Commission, Aug. 13:** Meeting canceled. Next meeting scheduled for Aug. 27.
Week of 2026-07-20
Geneva boards held mostly procedural sessions; City Council set to vote on zoning, solar farm, and infrastructure contracts today
Over the past two weeks, Geneva's boards and commissions convened largely procedural sessions with no recorded decisions, while the City Council and Committee of the Whole prepare to vote today on zoning changes, a solar farm permit, and infrastructure contracts totaling more than $850,000.
Recent meetings
The July 6 City Council pre-meeting document contained questions from council members and staff responses but recorded no votes, approvals, or final decisions. Items discussed included a proposed solar farm special use permit and a Destination Geneva grant for Swedish Days.
The Bike and Pedestrian Advisory Committee meeting scheduled for July 8 was canceled. The next meeting is set for August 12, 2026.
The Geneva Foreign Fire Fund Board met July 8 with an agenda including approval of June 24 meeting minutes, June 2026 bills, and monthly treasurer reports for March through June. New business included a request from Sam Prang for tool organizer trays, tool chest drawer organizers, and metal peg board not to exceed $400.00, and setting the FY 2027 board election schedule. Minutes have not yet been published.
The Planning and Zoning Commission held a July 9 public hearing on a request from Joe Stanton for Chianti's Carry Out and Catering. The petition sought a zoning ordinance text amendment adding "Restaurant" as a special use in the D-IM (Light Industrial Mixed-Use) district and a special use permit for a restaurant at 321 Stevens Street, Suite N. Minutes have not yet been published.
The Fire and Police Commission met July 14 with agenda items including the promotion of Samantha Prang to Fire Lieutenant (effective May 17, 2026) and Joshua Henschen to Fire Lieutenant (effective June 21, 2026), introduction of new Commissioner Amanda Haberkamp, election of board officers, and a closed session for appointment and employment matters. Minutes have not yet been published.
Two pension boards met July 15 and 16. The Police Pension Fund Board agenda included a non-duty disability benefit for McKenna O'Kray, a membership application for Amanda Levy, a deceased surviving spouse benefit for Mary Koza, board officer elections, and discussion of a cash management policy. The Firefighters Pension Fund Board agenda included a membership application for Brady Kreiter, regular retirement benefits for Scott Anderson and Chad Clark, disability benefits for Kevin Swanson, board officer elections, and discussion of a cash management policy. Minutes for both have not yet been published.
The Strategic Plan Advisory Committee met July 15 to consider approval of June minutes and a financial report, with updates on plan monitoring and the Geneva Academy. Minutes have not yet been published.
Coming up
City Council — today, July 20: The council will vote on Ordinance No. 2026-14, a zoning text amendment adding "Restaurant, Eatery or Café (no drive-through)" as a special use in the D-IM District, and Ordinance No. 2026-15, a special use permit for Chianti's Carryout & Catering at 321 Stevens Street, Suite N. Also on the agenda: Resolution No. 2026-84 restating and extending site-plan approval for Venture One Acquisitions, LLC; Resolution No. 2026-87 authorizing a $148,901.00 purchase of an automated switch for the Keslinger Substation under the WESCO Sourcewell Contract with delivery in FY28; Ordinance No. 2026-13 for a solar photovoltaic farm at 1203 E. Fabyan Parkway; a budget amendment; and Destination Geneva grants.
Committee of the Whole — today, July 20: The committee will consider a $354,072.00 professional services agreement with Stanley Consultants, Inc. for the Keslinger Substation Upgrade Project, a $356,796.00 not-to-exceed contract with IHC Construction Companies LLC for East State Street lead and galvanized water service line replacement, and fuel procurement through Al Warren Oil through July 5, 2027.
Historic Preservation Commission — July 21: The commission will review certificates of appropriateness for 428 Ford Street (Case 2026-063, addition and rehabilitation), 501 South Street (Case 2025-098, side porch reconstruction), and 527 Peyton Street (Case 2025-057, exterior rehabilitation).
Week of 2026-07-13
Geneva government roundup: No council decisions recorded; pension boards set to vote on benefits
Geneva's advisory boards and commissions held a light stretch of meetings in early July, with several sessions either canceled, procedural, or conducted without recorded votes. The most notable upcoming action sits with the city's two pension boards, which are scheduled to vote on disability and retirement benefits this week.
City Council — July 6
The City Council's posted document for the July 6 meeting contained pre-meeting questions from council members and staff responses, but no votes, approvals, or final decisions were recorded. Items discussed included a proposed solar farm special use permit and a Destination Geneva grant for Swedish Days. Because the document is a pre-meeting Q&A rather than minutes of action taken, no outcome is available for either item.
Natural Resources Committee — July 1
The committee reviewed ongoing projects but took no votes. Follow-up meetings with city staff are planned on tree ordinance changes. The Dark Sky Initiative will include a walk with a lighting designer to review buildings. Rain barrels are available for sale at $75 each, with five in storage. A Bird City Illinois photo contest was considered. River Clean-up Day is set for September 19. Minutes have not yet been published.
Bike and Pedestrian Advisory Committee — July 8
The July 8 meeting was canceled. The next meeting is scheduled for August 12.
Geneva Foreign Fire Fund Board — July 8
The board's agenda was largely procedural, with minutes not yet published. Items listed for consideration included approval of meeting minutes from June 24, approval of June 2026 bills, and approval of monthly treasurer reports for March, April, May, and June 2026. New business included a request from Sam Prang for tool organizer trays, tool chest drawer organizers, and metal peg board, not to exceed $400.00, and setting the FY 2027 board election schedule.
Planning and Zoning Commission — July 9
The commission was scheduled to hold a public hearing on a request from Joe Stanton for Chianti's Carry Out and Catering. The petition seeks a zoning ordinance text amendment to add "Restaurant" as a special use in the D-IM (Light Industrial Mixed-Use) district, plus a special use permit for a restaurant at 321 Stevens Street, Suite N. Minutes have not yet been published, so no outcome is available.
Coming up
Police Pension Fund Board — July 15: The board will consider approving a non-duty disability benefit for McKenna O'Kray. Other items include a membership application for Amanda Levy, a deceased surviving spouse benefit for Mary Koza, board officer elections for President, Vice President, Secretary, and Assistant Secretary, and discussion or possible action on a cash management policy.
Firefighters Pension Board Fund — July 16: The board is scheduled to act on a membership application for Brady Kreiter, regular retirement benefits for Scott Anderson and Chad Clark, and a disability benefit application for Kevin Swanson. Officer elections for President and Secretary are also listed, along with discussion and possible action on a cash management policy.
Week of 2026-07-06
Geneva roundup: City Council to weigh two new tax districts, solar farm permit; recent meetings thin on confirmed decisions
Geneva's recent committee meetings produced no confirmed decisions — all four held over the past two weeks are listed as agenda-only with minutes not yet published. The most consequential items on the horizon come from the July 6 City Council agenda, which includes public hearings on two new Special Service Area tax districts, a solar farm permit, and roughly $5.7 million in municipal bill payments.
Foreign Fire Fund Board (June 24)
The Geneva Foreign Fire Fund Board met June 24 to consider bills for payment covering March through May 2026, monthly treasurer reports, and prior meeting minutes. The agenda listed three reimbursement requests totaling up to $1,325: up to $125 for a Station 1 bunk nightstand, up to $750 for an FAE class reimbursement, and up to $450 for Instructor II completion. The board was also scheduled to set the FY 2027 board election schedule. Minutes have not been published, so outcomes are not confirmed.
Strategic Plan Advisory Committee (June 24)
The Strategic Plan Advisory Committee met June 24 and held a closed session to consider appointments to the committee. No other substantive business was listed. Minutes are not yet available.
Planning and Zoning Commission (June 25)
The June 25 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting was canceled. The next meeting is scheduled for July 9, 2026.
Natural Resources Committee (July 1)
The Natural Resources Committee reviewed ongoing projects on July 1, with no major decisions or votes scheduled. Items on the agenda included follow-up meetings with the city on tree ordinance changes, a Dark Sky Initiative walk with a lighting designer to review buildings, rain barrels for sale at $75 each with five in storage, a possible Bird City Illinois photo contest, and a River Clean-up Day set for September 19. Minutes are not yet published.
Coming up
City Council — Monday, July 6: Public hearings on establishing Special Service Area No. 35 for The MIF Geneva Industrial Park and No. 36 for The Roosevelt, each with a proposed tax levy for special services. The council will also consider a special use permit for a solar photovoltaic farm at 1203 E. Fabyan Parkway, resolutions for a water system leak detection survey from Associated Technical Services (up to $35,000) and purchase of distribution transformers from United Utility Supply ($54,216), certificates of completion for Prairie Grove and Geneva Industrial Park, a proclamation for Disabilities Pride Month, and payment of municipal bills totaling $5,721,644.78.
Bike & Pedestrian Advisory Committee — Wednesday, July 8: Canceled. The next meeting is August 12, 2026.
Planning and Zoning Commission — Wednesday, July 9: Next scheduled meeting following the June 25 cancellation.
Week of 2026-06-29
Geneva Roundup: Solar Farm, Tax Districts on Horizon; Recent Boards Discuss Tree Rules, Equipment
Geneva’s government boards and committees had a light period for final decisions over the past two weeks, with several meetings focused on discussion items and preparations for future votes. The most substantial agenda — including public hearings on two new tax districts and a proposed solar farm — will come before the City Council on July 6.
Recent meetings
Foreign Fire Fund Board (June 24)
The agenda for the June 24 meeting called for approval of bills from March through May, along with monthly treasurer reports and prior meeting minutes. The board also listed three reimbursement requests: up to $125 for a bunk nightstand at Station 1, up to $750 for a FAE class, and up to $450 for Instructor II completion. The total requests considered did not exceed $1,325. In addition, the board planned to set the Fiscal Year 2027 election schedule. Minutes from this meeting have not yet been published.
Strategic Plan Advisory Committee (June 24)
The committee held a closed session to consider appointments to the Strategic Plan Advisory Committee. No other substantive business was listed on the agenda, and minutes are not yet available.
Planning and Zoning Commission (June 25)
The regularly scheduled meeting was canceled. The next meeting is July 9.
Natural Resources Committee (July 1)
The committee reviewed a range of ongoing projects but took no formal votes. Topics included follow-up meetings with city officials on tree ordinance changes, a dark-sky initiative walk with a lighting designer to review buildings, rain barrels available for sale at $75 each (five in storage), a possible Bird City Illinois photo contest, and River Clean-up Day set for September 19.
Upcoming
City Council (July 6)
The council’s agenda features two public hearings on the establishment of Special Service Area No. 35 for The MIF Geneva Industrial Park and Special Service Area No. 36 for The Roosevelt. If approved, each would levy a tax to fund special services within the districts.
Also on the agenda: a special-use permit for a solar photovoltaic farm at 1203 E. Fabyan Parkway; certificates of completion for the Prairie Grove and Geneva Industrial Park projects; a resolution authorizing a water system leak detection survey from Associated Technical Services for up to $35,000; and a resolution to purchase distribution transformers from United Utility Supply for $54,216. The council will also consider payment of municipal bills totaling $5,721,644.78 and a proclamation recognizing Disabilities Pride Month.
Bike & Pedestrian Committee (July 8)
The July 8 meeting has been canceled. The committee’s next regular meeting is scheduled for August 12.
Coming up
The City Council meets July 6. A time and location were not included in the published agenda. The Bike & Pedestrian Committee will not meet as planned on July 8.
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